Game 2 & 3 of Warhammer 8th Edition

Posted: August 1, 2010 in Battle Report, Diseased Sons, Waaagh Musk
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And two more losses.  I’m beginning to think I’m the worst army list selector in the world.  Night Goblin mercenaries have leadership 4! Of course they were in range of both my general and the battle standard bearer when they panicked and ran in the first game, from Salamander fire.  Didn’t know they shot that far and force mandatory panic checks.  I don’t know much about the army lists I don’t own, playing something like 5 games since 4th Edition.

Anyway this was week two of the Strategies Mighty Empires campaign and I was tied with two other people for last.  It was also mandatory mercenaries week and in my defense I didn’t have any options.  I did Nurgle daemons as I own them from my 40K army the Diseased Sons, I just painted more, a movement tray, and ranked them up to give 8th Edition a go.  The only other fantasy models I own besides one or two more chaos champions, mostly all on round bases, was my 4th Edition Night Goblin army.

Being unemployed and them being close to being table ready, I grabbed one unit, which turned out to be 50 models, threw in a Night Goblin Shaman to help me in the magic phase, as in every game of 8th Edition I’ve played I’ve faced a Level 4 Sorcerer, that’s how I chose the army for this week.  It is impossible for Chaos Daemons to have a level 4 magic user in a 1500 point game.  If I make and save some gold in the campaign I can add up to another 250 points to my army.  But that is going to have to wait two weeks, because I’m going to a cousin’s wedding reception next Sunday.  Even the three fanatics I felt a little guilty about taking didn’t really do much, they killed a few Night Goblins and a Plaguebearer or two…

Deployment for game 1

Deployment for game 1

I just realized I forgot my animosity rolls.  Oh well I forget lots of rules…

This week I got to choose early, first even of the campaign events and took Building Boom and wanted to challenge Sidhu but he wasn’t there, so I ended up fighting Corey and his Lizardmen.  He had a Slann, Temple Guard, regular Sauruses who were the mercenaries, some skinks with blow guns, the big triceratops lizard and three salamanders.  Once again we rolled up lots of terrain and lots of it magical.  I played the second game on the same terrain approximately we rolled what type of rivers and stuff were on the board.  No one ever went in the mysterious forest.  I’m beginning to think I should hide behind the scenery, but the Nurgle Daemons don’t even have any ranged attacks and I generally lose during the magic phase, though this week was a bit better.

False Fanatic Release

False Fanatic Release

Anyway I’ve been thinking a lot on what I could do to try to make this army competitive.  It is tough at this points level, but I think the long term solution is another unit of line infantry and I’m thinking Daemonettes.  Short term the Herald of Tzeentch will be added if for no other reason than defensive magic ability.  I also hope to slowly build up some Fiends of Slaneesh, but until then the Beasts of Nurgle will get to come out and play.  Nurglings just seems so much worse than other options, even Beasts are no prize.  Nurgle appears to have the worst daemons in fantasy, but Plaguebearers are super popular in 40K, getting Feel No Pain and all.

Night Goblins run from fire

Night Goblins run from fire

Here is the quick version of the two games, as neither went terribly long.  In the first game, my small army in terms of units, finished deploying first and then my scouts didn’t really have any place to go in no man’s land.  The mission was a modified version of “Hired Guns” which uses I think mission 4 deployment.

Nurglings bite off too much lizard

Nurglings bite off too much lizard

In the first game the Nurglings went on my far left flank as I figured they might have a chance at killing Skinks.  The Plaguebearers went in front of the end of the river where the fighting would obviously take place.  Fantasy is so predictable in terms of where H2H will take place, I even tried to cast a movement spell but it was mainly a failure, I didn’t get to move far enough to get into H2H and it was ruled I had to go through my own fanatics.  I thought the Hand of Gork should pick up the unit, then put it down in a new place…

Dual charges into Plaguebearers

Dual charges into Plaguebearers

Anyway there is a good picture of deployment.  The dreaded Stegadon, that’s what the big dino is called, rampaged towards the Plaguebeares and despite me trying the tricky magic spell charge, got the charge on me.  The Plaguebearers of course held, but that thing is tough to wound.  So eventually the Temple Guard got to flank charge the Plaguebearers.  The reason the Plaguebearers got flanked charged was the mercenary Night Goblin archers got hit by Salamander flames, which can go surprisingly far.  These cause auto panic checks and despite getting two tries to roll 8 or less the Night Goblins panicked and ran, never rallied and disappeared off the board leaving Slim and a lone fanatic at the end.

Before all that happened the Skinks advanced to within 8 inches of the Night Goblins so I remember to send out the fanatics, but one of the many rules is they can’t go through terrain.  So I had to redo it as at first I sent two towards the Skinks and one towards the Temple Guard.  I also peppered the Temple Guard with 35 arrows and some magic.  Despite all the crap I threw at them, they still got the flank charge.

Slim and the Nurglings charged the Skinks.  I beat them up and pursued and wiped them out, but this left Slim kinda out of it positionally.  The Nurglings went on to charge the Sauruses in the side which obviously didn’t go well.  Slim turned himself around and flew back to try and rally the Night Goblins and to charge the Temple Guard in the rear.

I can’t remember all the details, but basically Slim needed to make his leadership test on 8 or less as I lost combat by one after the Plaguebearers were weakened further.  He failed, twice! This cost him his last wound.  This kinda left my battle standard bearer and a few other Plaguebearers and of course one lone fanatic.  I was not lucky with them, I think they killed more of my stuff than his.

Game 2 Deployment

Game 2 Deployment

After Slim died and the Night Goblins fled I conceded.  I then had to wait around to try to get a second chance to win my first game.  Eventually I did get to play Sidhu.

His army had a big unit of the elite Skaven with Halberds.  That unit also had the Grey Seer, a chieftain and the battle standard bearer.  I through a tonne of shots and spells at it, but couldn’t halt it in the end.  He also had two Doom Wheels which again I hit with piles of arrows, fanatics, Plague Swords, well maybe none of those, but goblin fists, I think Slim had a go at them too.  Both survived with one wound and two respectively.  Those things are pretty sick, they get shooting attacks, move randomly but fast, so you can’t stand and shoot them, the rats get 2D6 hits, they get Impact hits which as they go before everything are making me think some chariots will get painted for the goblins eventually.  I own one or two unpainted ones.

Game 2 Scout Moves

Game 2 Scout Moves

Anyway you can see deployment.  He had mercenary Blood Knights as that was his other evil army.  They did nothing effectively, though everything charged the Plaguebearers in the end and after they got hit by the Dreaded 13th spell I conceded.  Before all that happened I deployed the Nurglings on the right flank and moved the Night Goblins away from the river so the Fanatics would have more room to go crazy.  They didn’t do that great, Sidhu kept making saves with the damn Doom Wheels but I’d have to say they did better than game one.

Doom Wheels VS Nurglings

Doom Wheels VS Nurglings

The Night Goblins got off one volley of 35 arrows and managed to hit the Doom Wheel a pile, but did zero wounds.  Before that happened and despite setting up fairly far back, both Doom Wheels rolled very high, survived driving over the flaming barricade (the barbed wire) and smashed into the Nurglings wiping them out.

They over ran and drew out the fanatics and ultimately made it into H2H with the Night Goblins.

Night Goblins fail to kill doom wheels

Night Goblins fail to kill doom wheels

Night Goblins with Short Bows have no armour save at all.  So even 50 die pretty quickly when anything hardier than a sneeze kills them.  In my real Night Goblin army I’d have more of them, more fanatics too, and would have a Great Shaman leading that unit and my Warboss leading the other unit.  Plus I’d have my huge block of spearmen to occupy the centre and take the charge.  My goblin army is designed to stand around and shoot, the warmachines and magic do the damage and when the enemy gets frustrated he has to risk fanatics and lots of arrows and spears plus lots of goblin heroes.

Plaguebearers get stuck fighting in a river

Plaguebearers get stuck fighting in a river

So yeah two loses and no game next week for me.  Eventually I will earn some gold and can add up to 250 more points more to the army which will allow Slim and my Heralds to buy fancier toys, but more Plaguebearers and Nurglings is not the answer.  Maybe the Beasts can be useful, but I think I’d rather have 2 Fiends than one Beast of Nurgle.  Also the long term solution is another unit of line infantry.  10 Daemonettes with Full Command is 150 points which is 1.5 Beasts of Nurgle or basically 4.2 Nurgling stands.  The Daemonettes will have more attacks at 21, the rank and standard bonus, and likely fight before the enemy helping to soften them up for the Plaguebearers.  Nurglings have lots of wounds, but they are only toughness 3 and basically always lose combat and just disappear with their Leadership of 5, even 8 isn’t a big improvement.

Charged on all four sides

Charged on all four sides

Nope next month maybe after I get a job if I seriously try to turn this army into something that maybe wins a game, I’ll have to do up at least 10 Daemonettes maybe even 15.  Here is my army list, the best one I can make with the models I have painted:

  • Daemon Prince with wings and level 1 magic ability 370pts
  • Harold of Nurgle, Battle Standard Bearer, Slime Trail and the Banner of Unholy Victory 200pts
  • Herold of Tzeentch, Flames of Tzeentch, and Spell Breaker 165pts
  • 29 Plaguebearers, Full Command and a magic banner for 403pts
  • 3 Beasts of Nurgle 300pts
  • With my last 62 points I can buy five more Plaguebearers or if I get it painted, the Fiend of Slaneesh

About the only magic item I can take that might make a difference is switching from Icon of Eternal Virulence to the one that allows me to re-roll failed to wound rolls.  I’ll have to think on that some more.  The Harold of Tzeentch will get painted, but after that I need to paint my 2010 Astronomi-con Vancouver army, or at least the remaining 5 or 6 models.

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Comments
  1. muskie says:

    I realized later last night that my opponents didn’t take one Fear or Terror test, funny them not remembering to do that. Last week I was good about remember this rule, this week, it was completely forgotten.

    Slim the Daemon Prince causes Terror so that needs to be taken advantage of. Fear is less potent and other units that cause Fear or that are Immune to Psychology don’t really get affected, but reducing your opponent to WS 1 is nothing to sneeze at.

    The other thing I’m reminded at reading the new article on GW’s website on the Magic Phase is the Lore of Metal has a bonus I could have been taking advantage of. That is the Lore I selected for Slim. Though Fire is also tempting.

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