Waaagh Musk WFB Target Army List

I finally got my hands on the new Orc and Goblin army book for Warhammer Fantasy battle. All the cool Orc and Goblin players already had it and have been adapting their armies to the newest rules. What I lack in coolness I make up for in stubbornness and weirdness. Here is the 2000 point all Goblin army I’m going to be running some day. I actually have almost every single goblin painted, I just need to do some basing and some shields.

I plan on running the new mega spider with a Shaman on top so I use up almost all of my Lord allowance. The core of my army remains however three big blogs of infantry, three war machines, and a hero to lead each mob. When I totalled it all up, using most of my allotment for magic items, I was just 80 or 90 points short of 2000, enter the Squig Hoppers. I might eventually go higher points and run a second Lord on a Gigantic Spider or even just a Big Boss and a block of spider riders to continue the spider theme. Not sure what I’ll do with all my ork models, maybe I’ll sell them or use some of them for 40K…

Here is a picture of my ‘bigger’ unit of Night Goblins. It is the only unit completely finished, complete with Shaman leader Icky Bob.

Night Goblin Archer Horde

Army List


  • Goblin Great Shaman, riding Arachnarok Spider, with Catchweb Shrine and Opal Amulet 490 points


  • Night Goblin Shaman with extra level, Ironcurse Icon, and Dispell Scroll 115 points
  • Goblin Big Boss, Battle Standard Bearer, Mork’s War Banner, Light Armour and Shield 164 points
  • Night Goblin Big Boss, Light Armor and Short Bow, Enchanted Shield, and Obsidian Loadstone 84 points


  • 54 Night Goblins with Short Bows, full command, three fanatics  267 points
  • 29 Night Goblins with Short Bows, full command, three fanatics, and nets 237 points
  • 65 Goblins with spears, shields, and light armor, full command and three skulkers 320 points


  • 6 Night Goblin Squig Hoppers 72 points


  • 2 Doom Divers 160 points
  • 1 Stone Thrower 85 points


My theoryhammer, besides just finding a use for all the old plastic goblins I own and have almost gotten painted over the years, is, the goblins do the fighting. So much so I don’t even have a single ork in my army, even though the ten point bully might be worth it. I went with a hero in each squad as the heroes and the upgrades arguably will do more damage than the actual goblins.

Having played once and a while, generally every second edition of the game, I know goblins aren’t very good, but lots of them can look intimidating. The plan with the massive units is to not take panic checks. Every hero has defensive magic items, that boost their squad, I even opted for the most expensive magic banner. I also hope to dominate the magic phase and maybe even the shooting. The war machines can hurt most anything and the big spider should be able to handle itself. My main plan is to advance so I can’t run away in the first turn, release the squigs and just wait. Bombard the enemy with stones and spells and eventually arrows. After they get through all that I release the fanatics and hope to halt the charges. But if all else fails hopefully 60 plus goblins in a horde is a tough nut to crack. The Night Goblin units run away often, but hopefully not before they release their fanatics and get off a volley or two of arrows.

Wish me luck.

Revising Waaagh Musk 40K

As mentioned yesterday I actually got out the Ork Codex and wrote out a 1500 point army list. I tried to use as many of the painted models as I could legally, but I also left room for some new conversions and the new kits, particularly the Trukk and Battlewagon kits GW has released over the last couple years.

Once again I couldn’t sleep last night, so before taking a pill, I wrote a slightly different and more flexible army list. This list isn’t 1500 points, it is 1392 points. It is the core of Waaagh Musk for the next year or two. It still has two Big Meks and still has two Dreads as Troops, it still has too mobs of Shoota boys, and two Looted Wagons. What it doesn’t have is either Burna Boyz or Lootas. Both seem good to me, most stuff in the Codex seems good, though obviously I’ll learn the hard way that BS 2 isn’t as good as BS 4. Oh well, this army is most definitely just for fun. Orks are the fun army, the comic relief army, and I’m going to try and have some fun building and converting my army to work with this Codex and 5th Edition Warhammer 40,000.

Still WIP Gretchin
Still WIP Gretchin

Tonight I have modest dinner plans, but who knows when they will end. I also did the laundry today, but minutiae like that isn’t why people come to my blog. I’m still painting grots. I’ve decided to finish off the two nicer ones today and leave the third one at the end of the paint queue to be finished at a more leaseieruely pace. I paint the black parts black with my now traditional Foundry Charcoal Black Triad plus Badaab Black wash system. I’ll probably highlight a tad more. The grey jerkin just got a wash of Badaab Black. Again some people drown grey in black wash and then call it highlighted black, that isn’t really my style. I plan to paint on some highlights but I’ll take a picture first.

After the black/grey jerkins and boots, all that requires painting is the skull, the belt and ammo pouches, and of course eyes and teeth. Totally doable in an hour or so. So I’m not sure when but this evening I’ll publish this blog post with shots of the finished models and update Flickr.

In the mean time here is Waaagh Musk in brief:

  • HQ: Big Mek #1 “Lone Gunman” with Shokk Attack gun and stuff 105 points
  • HQ: Big Mek #2 “Musk” with Burna, Warbike, and lots of stuff 128 points
  • TR: “Black Knight” Dread with two Kustom Kombi Weapons 105 points
  • TR: “Rainbow Warrior” Dread with one Kustom Kombi Weapon and one Rokkit 100 points
  • TR: 12 X Blood Axe Shoota Boyz, Rokkit, Nob, Boss Pole 97 points
  • HS: “Big Burna” Looted Rhino with Skorcha, ‘Ard Case, and other stuff 90 points
  • TR: 12 X Bad Moon Shoot Boyz, Rokkit, Nob, Power Klaw, Boss Pole, Trukk, Boarding Plank 162 points
  • HS: “Gobsmasha” Looted Wagon with Boom Gun, ‘Ard Case, and other stuff 130 points
  • HS: Battlewagon with Killa Kannon and other stuff including Zzap Gun 185 points
  • EL: Nobz Mob with Waaagh Banner, Pain Boy, Grot Orderly, Boss Pole, Power Klaw and likely more 140+ points
  • –: Nobz ride, Battlewagon with Deff Rolla, Zzap Gun, and other stuff 150 points
Two contrasting Gretchin
Two contrasting Gretchin

This army will score higher in Astronomi-con army comp as it only has one Elite choice. It currently has no Fast Attack choice but I plan to try out all of them except Storm Boyz. My unfinished Storm Boy conversions which I forgot I even started have been demoted to ground pounder status. All my red, black, and white models are in one big mob. I actually took four one piece metal models out of that mob last night and put them with the models I plan to strip, as they had shootas not sluggas in the current parlance. That squad is 20 strong now and has two big shootas.

That squad has no Nob as all the white, black, and red nobz and all the oddboyz are on another shelf. Some of them will get used I’m sure, but I have so many unpainted models both OOP and from AoBR that it will be hard for me to use all of them under the current rules. Oh well I’ll touch them up and update their bases. I looked at the pictures in the Codex and heavily armored Nobz, Big Meks, and Warbosses get 40mm bases, not all nobz, though some follow that practice. I might but I need a lot of 40mm round bases.

I have so many things I want to paint, we’ll see when the Blood Axes, who I plan to do first, finally make it on to the painting table. I’ll eventually be doing a lot of new Nobz and Fast Attack choices including some Deff Koptas as I like to outflank and I think anti-armor despite the ordnance, the Shokk Attack gun, and lots of rokkits already… Anyway I have six Deff Koptas so I may paint up five, though they are expensive. Orks at least have lots of Power Klaws, though I only have two in my army so far, I’ll put one on a Warbikker Nob for sure.

Primered Black Gretchin

Primered Grey Gretchin

Update December 2019

It is now many years later and I have not finished the third Gretchin let alone gotten my old Ork army on the field of battle. My new painting plans doesn’t include too many more Greenskins as I’ve painted so many and used them so rarely. I’ll get back to Nurgle and in a true blast from the past, Necromunda Escher gangers.

Planning to Paint More Goblins

I stayed up late last night reviewing the big red book and revising my Warhammer Orks and Goblins army list. Basically I decided I didn’t need an ork general, I’m not trying that hard to win anyway. The only reason I wanted an Ork Great Shaman was for the improved leadership and access to the Big Waaagh spell list. I wondered if I couldn’t accomplish the same thing in another manner. I still could not afford a big unit of orks on foot, so I went with just the goblins, that’s right my entire 1500 point 8th edition army list has two orks in it. One is a Level 2 Shaman for access to the Big Waaagh spells, as some of them are very good, at least for Ork magic, the other is a bully leading my rock lobber crew.

Here are the gory details, it is all painted but the warmachine crew, the Night Goblin Warboss, and of courses bases and shields…

  • SPECIAL: Rock Lobber with bully: 75pts
  • RARE: 2 Doom Divers: 160pts
  • CORE: 65 Goblins with spears and shields and full command: 345pts
  • HERO: Goblin Big Boss, Light Armor, BSB, Spider Banner: 110pts
  • HERO: Ork Shaman, Level 2 Wizard, Waaargh Paint: 110pts
  • LORD: Night Goblin Great Shaman, Staff of Sneaky Stealing, Mad Cap Mushrooms, Amulet of Protectyness: 245pts
  • LORD: Night Goblin Warboss, Sneaky Skewer, Potion of Strength, Talisman of Preservation: 130pts
  • CORE: 29 Night Goblins with bows, full command, and three fanatics: 183pts
  • CORE: 24 Night Goblins with bows, full command, and two fanatics: 142pts

This army is more 8th Edition and even more so, the current O&G army book, I think I liked the previous ork and goblin army book better. Even though I’m not sure they are particularly combat effective I purchased all three of my warmachines and I will add to this arsenal as the army grows. How else are goblins going to hurt big tough things? The large block of spearmen was also non-negotiateable, if I ever get it finished, damn straight I’m fielding it, 345 points isn’t that much. With the 110 point Battle Standard Bearer it has the potential to deal out a lot of damage with all those poised attacks. I also discovered the Steadfast rule which will really help my goblins, especially at 2000 points when I get to add more Night Goblins and a big ork unit to the mix.

Picking this army list took a long time as I agonized over the magic items. A lot of the more interesting items are Goblin or even Night Goblin only but there are a few good Ork only ones. There are also a lot of new common magic items which are often better/cheaper than the army list specific ones. At 2000 points I’ll have even more points for heros and magic items but I won’t be adding another lord choice I had to work hard to squeeze two Night Goblin Lords in at 1500 points. I don’t have a painted model for the Warboss, but I might have one in a blister somewhere. I have plenty of plastic goblins I can use for war machine crew. So having to buy one more goblin isn’t a deal breaker, besides there are some nice new models. I have at least 40 Orks laying about, as I always planned to do one big unit with choppas, but now I’m thinking of giving them shields for the parry.

Yet more shields I’ll have to paint. Warhammer Fantasy Battle can really tire out a painter like me who likes individualistic models and usually does minor conversions and puts extra details into their models.

In yet more time wasting and avoiding doing the laundry I looked into Warhammer’s number one competitor, Warmachine. I’ve seen people playing it in stores, even yesterday people were playing it despite the fact 8th Edition just came out which is getting a lot of push from the local gaming store owner. Hordes and Warmachine basically have a new edition for 2010 too. Not sure if this is accidental or not. It’s big appeal besides not being part of the evil empire as some people call GW, is it requires less models. Of course most of the models are metal, but there are plastic starter sets now.

I’ve long wanted to move more into skirmish games as the Diseased Sons, even the Nefarious Fire aren’t that portable. My Warhammer Fantasy Armies are worse as I haven’t played them in so long, I haven’t tried to transport them. The best thing to do would be to buy a dedicated case for your armies which I’m going to do for the Servants of Decay. I have several miniature cases, some homemade, others made by Charon and GW. I’m thinking of getting a Battlefoam one as they precut the foam for you, but spending money is an impossibility so to play Warhammer at Strategies I’ll need to figure out how best to transport stuff on monster bases. When I got the Charon case I ordered one bigger, monster sized, foam layer, but I’d actually prefer if my whole army fit in one small compact case. Hence the appeal of smaller, skirmish sized games.

Skirmish games are more portable, which as an apartment dweller who currently can’t host games, I need to consider more and more. Warhammer used to be something you played in your parent’s basement, or if you’re lucky at a local club night, now it seems you need to travel to find opponents for the games you used to play with your friends. I don’t have a car so portability is a bigger and bigger deal for me. Something to work on in 2011, as I already have more than enough on my plate for 2010.

I’ve been doing a little painting and now that it is evening hope to make some real progress. I still plan to finish the test models, hopefully in the next day or two. Then it is on to the Nurgle lesser daemons so I have a legal, if not necessarily effective, 1500 point Warhammer army. Then it is full speed ahead to finish my Astronomi-con Vancouver army.

Oh here are some links I’ve discovered recently that might be of interest to anyone who’s read down this far:

Well my computer seems to be having issues and it keeps getting later, tomorrow hopefully I’ll be more productive so I’ll have better photos to post online. I’m using my Cool Grey AwesomePaintJob.com wash and it is real hit and miss, the pigment separates in this, the red one, just like in all the old GW flesh washes pots I ever had.

My current painting queue

Orks and Goblins in Warhammer 8th Edition

So yesterday was a busy day on this blog or was it the day before. I’m still waiting to hear back from a potential employer, I’m beginning to think I’m not their first choice. I ran into an old business contact from my previous job at the cafe, but where I spent my afternoon was at Strategies trying to price out a 1500 point Orks and Goblins army list from my existing painted miniature collection.

My Goblin Horde

I have well over 100 painted goblins but at 3 to 5 points a piece it only goes so far. I also have three warmachines which I can now use all in one small army and plenty of character models painted or could be quickly painted. I found another goblin shaman in my collection the other day, I really should move that model to the proper box… I’ve written a number of army lists in the last ten years, generally trying to get just 1000 points on the table lately, but now 1500 is the number for Darren’s (Strategies) 8th Edition Mighty Empires campaign so I decided to rank up my Nurgle deamons rather than paint 63 goblin shields and base them and do movement trays etc. etc.

However I want to get some use out of my large painted goblin collection someday so I got some advice on a 1500 point army. I have 66 painted goblin spearmen, I want to do them as one big unit eleven wide, they were to have my Battle Standard Bearer and the Raggedy Red Banner, but when I told a guy what it did he said that was now impossible.  Literally the entire unit and the core of my army were based around this unit and that banner, all is not lost, but I have to see the FAQ right about now…

Apparently as of July 12th 2010 no one at GW headquarters thinks the Raggedy Red Banner is an issue. I now own the Big Red Book so I guess I’ll try to understand the problem, which apparently is Battle Standard Bearers now let you re-roll all leadership tests so the Raggedy Red Banner’s ability to re-roll panic tests is borked because there is some big overarching rule that says you can never reroll a reroll. I also learned today that you can have one of a Ward save or a Regeneration roll but not both, this affects my proposed big unit of plaguebearers some.

So here is the 1500 point Ork and Goblin list I’m going to work towards someday fielding, it uses all three units of goblins I have painted, though some of them are not on the field at 1500 points. It requires the painting of the 63 shields, the basing of the entire army, the construction of various custom movement trays, the painting of some goblin crew with hand weapons and lastly the painting of 9 Ork Arrer Boyz, no one uses them so I decided since I have the figs I’d rather a small unit of them than a small unit of regular boys. My 2000 point list will have a horde of orks and likely another warmachine, bulked up Night Goblin units, and maybe a chariot or two.

I’d like to field snotlings, but I’d also like GW to make plastic snotlings. I had some old lead snotlings but I appear to have lots them, I haven’t seen them in years and I think I’ve gone through just about any box they could possibly be in. Maybe I’ll go through mom’s attic next time I’m home. Without further ado here is my totally sub-optimal but hopefully fun and unique Ork and Goblin army which maybe this fall could be coming to a table near you. I just need to find the motivation to paint and base the goblins. A squad of 10 orks is just to give some ablative wounds to my Ork Sorcerer Lord. It should be pretty obvious where my heroes go:

  • CORE: 65 Goblins with Spears and Shields and Full Command: 345pts
  • CORE: 39 Night Goblins with Bows, Full Command, and 3 Fanatics: 212pts
  • CORE: 25 Night Goblins with Bows, Full Command, and Nets: 130pts
  • CORE: 10 Ork Arrer Boys, Full Command: 90pts
  • LORD: Ork Great Shaman, Level 4 Wizard, Horn of Urgok, Amulet of Protectivyness: 280pts
  • HERO: Goblin Big Boss, Light Armor, Shield, Battle Standard, Ragged Red Banner: 112pts
  • HERO: Night Goblin Shaman, Dispel Scroll, Mad Cap Mushrooms: 95pts
  • SPECIAL: Rock Lobber with Bully: 75pts
  • RARE: 2 Doom Divers: 160pts

Goblins are like the antithesis of Chaos Daemons they cost so little each, you have so many options on what to do at 1500 points. I once read that O&G have the most CORE choices, if it wasn’t for warmachines my army would be all CORE and HEROs and LORDs.

My glorious plan, assumes the other player is more clever, more maneurverable, and has better combos of magic items than me. My plan is to stand in a big green wall, with warmachines between my units to prevent the outbreak of violence and basically pepper the enemy with arrows, rocks, doom divers, and spells. If the opponent gets close to the big Night Goblin unit he gets amped up Fanatics. I wasn’t planning on maxing out on fanatics, that is all anyone seems to use Night Goblins for. Maybe at 2000 points I will max out, I have six painted. I will also bulk up both Night Goblin units so they look more fearsome and replace the arrer boys with a big unit of boys.

But first I need to learn the rules, paint, base, make movement trays and learn what the Raggedy Red Banner actually does, anyone in my meager blog readership know? Maybe I’ll ask on the Waaagh.

One final crazy option I have is to use Grom the Paunch in larger games or even at 1500 rather than a sorcerer lord. I have the model, as for a while it was the only Goblin Chariot in print…  I have no wolf rider miniatures but I always thought they were a cool CORE option, but I don’t have the time and money or energy to field hordes of them. I was a big fan of Light Cavalry in the previous edition, even thought of doing Dark Elves or Marauders so I could have a lot of them on the table.

Looking Good

So as I mused, I’ve started a dedicated miniature painting blog for my various hobby projects. Hopefully I’ll get off my ass in the next few days and paint something fresh for the masses. I still need a job, so look at my resume!

I’m not going to move content over here from my personal blog, I’d rather spend my time creating new content and painting new miniatures rather than just import old text and pictures. Plus I don’t like broken links, I remember when people cared about broken links, now people just trust in Google.

So what will be here? Everything I do hobby related basically. Nurgle.muschamp.ca isn’t going anywhere, but it is a huge hand coded site, to an army that I’m going to use less as I paint some new stuff, I’ve ran just about every Plaguemarine squad possible. As I’ve gotten older, I’ve matured and I stay out of online pissing matches when I can, I still contribute to the odd forum, mostly the Bolter and Chainsword but occasionally the Waaagh or elsewhere. I’ve been at this a long time, I have WIP threads that are years old, but I’m not sure if my efforts get viewed by that many people, so hopefully Google will find this stuff and it turns out to be of use to someone.

One thing I have imported by hand into WordPress.com is links. I’ve been collecting links since 1994 or 1995, my biggest collection is pretty out of date, but more recent useful finds, were added to the sidebar for the benefit of all.

What you will also find here is some well painted miniatures and occasionally tutorials and advice on how to improve your painting. Back when I was employed I bought a lot of paint and models, so I try stuff out, rather than stick to just GW paints and models. That said most models I paint are for Warhammer 40,000 or 40K as it is known online. One of the more famous things I’ve put online is the Diseased Sons homepage, so additions to that army along with the Nefarious Fire and new incarnations of Waaagh Musk will appear here.

I’ll continue using Flickr for finished models in higher res, but I’ll probably put most of my Work In Progress or WIP photos on WordPress.com, previously I used Muschamp.ca and I still may use it for somethings. I pay for the bandwidth on Muschamp.ca about 10 bucks a month, I get about as much free from WordPress.com maybe, but they throw the odd ad around my text and pictures. I’m happy with the theme I picked, it is new and gritty, and called Greyzed. Thanks to the Forge Web Creations for that, apparently they are from South Africa, small world nowadays, especially online.

We’ll have to see if a more focused blog on WordPress.com rather than self hosted leads to an increase in popularity, as measured say by number of comments. I always got traffic from the search engines, often from very strange keyword referrals, but I’d like a more social and interactive site, though that said it is just a hobby blog, if I get busy with my new job it will languish for a while.

As you may have noticed, I have a tendency to ramble, which is why Muskblog is an unfocused mess after being updated very regularly for years. This blog will be focused on miniature painting and the hobby, if I want to rant against bad service at a restaurant it won’t appear here, neither will pictures of my sister’s dog, or any baby photos, or any thing else that will pollute the purity of Musk’s Miniatures.

I own a lot of miniatures, a lot of them are painted, but a lot of them aren’t. Even if I never buy another model, I’ll probably never get them all done.  I’m going to have to have a liquidation sale someday. I own a lot of older GW miniatures that I either bought back in the day, traded for, or got on say eBay. I don’t have any immediate plans to sell anything, but at some point it is a good idea. I’m building something of a dream table for wargaming, but it has gone slowly. I got hundreds of dollars tied up in resin and other stuff like foam, plasticard, and balsa wood. I kinda wish I had some of that money back right about now seeing as how I’ve been unemployed for over two months and I’ll always be paying for my MBA.

I promise this is the least focused and most off topic post that will appear here. I need some text to test the theme further and make sure tags and categories are working well. There are links to a lot of photos of my miniatures on the sidebar, but lets see if I can’t dig something interesting out of iTunes to see how the theme handles images.Assault on Black Reach Ork Nob

I don’t currently have access to a good digital camera, remember I’m unemployed.  I do have an iPhone 3GS which takes surprisingly good pictures of miniatures in my lightbox setup.  I also know a number of pro and semi-pro photographers, maybe I’ll con one of them into using their 1000s of dollars worth of equipment to take photos of my minis.

I also might submit this hobby blog to various specialized blog networks, that seem to be all the rage in online hobby circles.  I’m not sure how much more traffic they’ll add, but now with a focused blog and hopefully a month or two of good original content I’ll be eligible to join one or two.  In the mean time we’ll have to wait and see who’ll be the first to link to this blog and leave a comment besides me.